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Conversations with me, No. 34
Email highlights, ca. Aug 2001

Dedicated to the proposition that every thought that's ever been thunk may be of interest to some tomfool . . .


THEE: Kiss Me, Eliza 

Hmmm, I think "The Taming of the Shrew" is "Kiss Me Kate."  "My 
Fair Lady" is George Bernard Shaw's "Pygmalion."  I'll check the 
spelling on "Pygmalion."  The film version of "Pygmalion," from 
the '30s (script by Shaw and no singing), is much better than "My 
Fair Lady" from the '60s, IMHO.

And I'll concede that if Birgit Nilsson sang "I Could Have 
Danced All Night," it should be in your opera index.  The lines 
blur yet again!

I completely missed the news that the editor who made up the 
George Martin quotes resigned.  I'm glad to hear it.  

It's a lazy Saturday.  We're going to a Frederick Keys game 
tonight with two of Hself's brothers and their families.  That 
will be a little different.  


ME: 

>I have taken on a huge endeavor.  You have been very well 
credited in the upcoming liner notes! 

Thanks!  I have no idea what for - since you added to my Holland 
collection, but I don't remember it going the other way.  

David Nadal recently put out a collection called "Easy Classics 
for Guitar", published by Dover.  He had bought copies of all the 
19th C. American guitar music I had been getting out of the 
Library of Congress, and he included about 16 of those pieces in 
this collection, which I think is really neat - Hayden and Janon 
alongside Sor, Giuliani, Sanz, etc.  He included 2 Holland pieces 
- Variations on Dixie's Land and Variationss on Nearer My God To 
Thee.  


ME: guitar & mandolin & banjo & piano &c...  

>I thought it was going to be the copy of "Golden Gems of Music", 
1895, that I had won on eBay for $4, which claimed to have 
"special sections" for guitar and piano, banjo and piano, and 
guitar and banjo solo, among other things.  Before you start 
salivating too much, the editor was either overambitious or 
unscrupulous.  The only thing that's really there is one tune for 
mandolin and piano and a truncated theme and variations on I 
don't remember what by Arling Shaefer (sp?).  

I'm never sure what the performance combination is going to be 
based on what those 19th C. publishers slapped on the covers.  It 
might say mandolin and guitar, for example, but then you find 
little cue notes for a 2nd mandolin, and wonder, well, where's 
*that* part???  I got excited finding a Sep. Winner "Star 
Spangled Banner" for guitar & piano, but it was really just a 
dinky little guitar solo.  I guess the "Guitar & Piano" headline 
was for *other* pieces in the series.  There's millions of other 
examples.  I guess it all made sense back then.  

>however, one piece, "The Origin of Thought" for piano solo by C. 
H. Northrup (the editor) may be worth the price by itself.
 
Hmmm... you've really piqued my curiosity about "The Origin of 
Thought".  The title alone should have been worth the price of 
the book! 

>I need to put you in touch with a guy I met on the web who just 
went through Matanya Ophee's basement to get some old mandolin 
and guitar music out.  

I have a question or two for him.  In particular, I need guitar 
parts for the 20 opera arrangements Winner made for mandolin and 
guitar.  These intrigue me because it's obvious Winner used 
Holland's 20 opera arrangements for 2 guitars - but he didn't 
copy them so closely that you can use one of Holland's parts to 
accompany the mandolin.  Very strange.  

>My musical life is moving farther to the East these days, and 
I'm playing more shakuhachi than guitar, but when I get some 
leisure to really dig in to your book, I'll let you know how it 
goes.  

Don't feel like you have to *dig* in - it's more for dipping in 
when the mood strikes.  Remember - the pieces weren't selected; 
they were more or less saved from getting tossed into the trash 
can.  

I'm thinking the shakuhachi is a Japanese flute, sort of?  Sounds 
familiar, but it's not in my regular or music dictionaries.  

I'm currently reading "Ragtime - a musical and cultural history" 
by Edward A. Berlin (1980).  It's fascinating.  Even though 
ragtime proper only started in the mid 1890s, that still gives a 
few years' overlap with the guitar's heyday.  And even though 
there were hardly any rags written for guitar (only one that I 
know of), the book gives me the best picture, so far, of what the 
American music scene was like then.  


ME: Re: guitar music 

>Thanks again for reminding me of the Holland duos. I've had tons 
of fun with them in the past. Your idea for publishing them 
sounds interesting. I think that it would be fun to record the 
guitar versions! 

I just mentioned to a guitar friend on the phone this morning 
about how I pester you to publish the Holland duos. :)  She 
didn't buy into my "brilliant" idea of including a cd of the 
opera excerpts - but suggested a "music-minus-one" sort of guitar 
duo cd, where you can tune either part out completely and play 
along with the other part.  Anyhow, I feel strongly that the 
Holland duos need to be presented in *both* facsimile *and* 
playable, edited performance editions.  

Thinking back, I may have sent you edited versions of the duos, 
so just ask for the unedited facsimiles whenever you're ready to 
get going on this project!  (Hot tip: have it ready by next 
year's Grammys, when a guitar cd of Holland solos may make a 
showing!) 


THEE: Re: guitar music 

>(Hot tip: have it ready by next year's Grammys, when a guitar cd 
of Holland solos may make a showing!) 

What recording might this be?  


THEE: Fermi Paradox 

I have read your thoughts on the Fermi Paradox posted on the 
internet with great interest.  

I was wondering if a reason aliens have not visited/contacted us 
(or at least unintentionally revealed their presence) could be 
due to the fact that any type of expansion beyond an 
interplanetary level is intrinsically economically nonviable?  

All recent international empires have tended to collapse due to 
economic failure (the British Empire, the USSR).  Even free-
trading capitalist nations suffer periodic recession.  

An interstellar community would need to be supported by faster-
than-light travel, instant communication, 'free' energy etc. just 
to provide the framework for the exchange of goods and services 
(and hence trade).  

The alternative is a science-fiction sort of a community where 
incredibly advanced technology delivers goods and services at 
(ostensibly) no cost.  

Does trade become irrelevant when technology advances, or does 
the advance of technology create ever more benign conditions for 
the development of trade?  And if trade is essential, can it ever 
be carried out in interstellar volumes without FTL travel?  

Just a few thoughts.  


THEE: 

>I'm thinking the shakuhachi is a Japanese flute, sort of?  Sounds 
familiar, but it's not in my regular or music dictionaries.  

That's right.  End blown Japanese flute, used by monks for 
meditation and in chamber ensemble with koto ("harp") and 
shamisen "banjo".  


THEE: I came across your web page because I was searching for 
information on Dionisio Aguado.  So I was glad to find that -- 
I'm just starting to learn classical guitar, and I've really been 
enjoying playing some of his short pieces that I found in a book 
(a set of "Thirty-Two Pieces".) 

The two reasons I am writing: 

(1) I wanted to tell you: GREAT web page!  A browser's paradise -- 
wish I had time to browse more of it.  I've only clicked on a 
handful of your many links, but they've all been interesting.  (I 
liked the wine and water problem.)  You are obviously a man who 
likes to keep your brain busy.  I hope you enjoy maintaining your 
page for many years.  

(2) I'm looking at a schedule of some classical guitar concerts 
in my area soon, and I'm trying to decide whom to go see.  I can 
probably only see one.  Two good sounding choices, though:  
Christopher Parkening, and Franco Platino.  From my web research 
it sounds like I can't go wrong w/ Parkening, but Platino sounds 
promising too, and he's on a better day.  I thought you might 
have an opinion...  

PS one other thing on Aguado: I was disturbed to find a piece 
that my book says is by Aguado in another book, credited to 
Carulli!  Who do you think is more likely to be the true author 
of this gem of a piece?  Is there any way to know?  


ME: newsletter 

The trio with Bev, Bob and me is back in action, which is good, 
and I've come back out of hibernation - been to the last 2 WGS 
meetings, even.  I don't foresee sinking as much effort into the 
newsletter as in the old days, but I suppose I could help a 
little.  What comes to mind now is a piece of music for the next 
newsletter.  I think in the old days I gave you a small batch of 
pieces that I had earmarked for the newsletter.  One goodie, 
which would be appropriate for this issue, was "The Galop of the 
Goblins" by Walter Fay Lewis.  Do you still have that?  Or I 
could send another copy if you want to use it.  It doesn't need 
much commentary, but I could probably whip up a paragraph to go 
with it.  


THEE: a quick question 

Just to be on the safe side, I thought I'd better ask whether 
your upcoming Justin Holland cd is classified information, or 
whether I can talk about it.  I mentioned my guitar publisher 
friend.  I've been mildly pestering him to publish the Holland 
guitar duos (in a set with facsimile and performance editions.)  
I made an obscure, half-joking, half-serious suggestion to have 
it ready by next year's Grammys, "when a guitar cd of Holland 
solos may make a showing."  He wrote back, asking what cd is 
that?  I figured I'd better contact you before saying anything I 
shouldn't.  Don't hesitate to tell me to keep my trap shut! 


ME: march 

I'm reading "Ragtime, a musical and cultural history" by Edward 
A. Berlin.  You came to mind because he addresses the issue of 
nontonic endings to marches, which you had wondered about.  On 
page 100 Berlin writes: 

  In other respects, even in most details, each characteristic of 
  ragtime composition has its counterpart in the march.  The 
  conception of form and tonal design is identical, and an 
  explanation by Sousa of the nontonic ending to a march casts 
  further light on the acceptance of this convention in ragtime: 

    In reply to your question, "Is it proper that a two-step ending 
    in a trio should end in a key foreign to the one it begins in," 
    permit me to say this: 

    In the accepted form of compositions of march order it was 
    always customary to make the third part go to the subdominant, 
    the most usual, and the dominant, the most unusual form.  In my 
    childhood in Washington I noticed that the bands parading with 
    the regiments in nearly every instance, although the composition 
    called for a da capo, would finish playing on the last strain of 
    the march; therefore, if it was done practically in the use of 
    the march I could not understand why it should not be done 
    theoretically in the writing of the march.  Accordingly, in 
    composing my marches I ignored the old established rule and wrote 
    with the idea of making the last strain of the march the musical 
    climax, regardless of tonality.  (Etude, August 1898.) 

  By the time rags were being published, subdominant endings were 
  an accepted part of the musical language both in performance 
  practice and in composition.  

Berlin's footnote goes on to say: 

  Twenty years later Sousa was still referring to this topic, but 
  had developed a more whimsical presentation: "The old method 
  ended the march in the tonality of the original key...  Speaking 
  gastronomically, when they got to the ice cream, they went back 
  to the roast beef.  And the beef had no new sauce on it, no new 
  flavor."  (Boston Post, Mar 10 1918.) 
  

ME: mean mary 

I struck out on O Salutaris, Tantum Ergo and Te Deum, which have 
separate M2079.L classes.  Wayne said there was some sort of 
change in those classes  - my class numbers were *too* up-to-
date, or something - but I should submit a slip for M2072.OHare.  
That didn't snag any of the above, but pulled up "Saviour, source 
of every blessing" and "Teach Me O Lord".  

All of this copying was done on your cards, which is now down to 
one card with 30 cents, i.e., 1.5 copies.  :-( 

I struck out on the special class for "Battle Hymn of the 
Republic".  

To be honest, I feel like I'm about out of ideas of where else to 
look at LC.  At the same time, I have a feeling that if all the 
O'Hare pieces stored there got themselves up walked up to the 
reading room, you would need a U-haul trailer.  

>>One day I will buy 5 radio stations which will be devoted to 
formats of good music that aren't played anymore.  (With my left-
over money I will have excellent English translations made of the 
complete operettas of Offenbach and get them all produced.  And 
with the remaining money I will buy an ice cream truck and go to 
a different neighborhood every day and give away free ice cream 
cones to the kids.) 

>You forgot one thing:  what kind of music will the ice cream 
truck play?  

I forgot another thing: and with the leftover stash I will have 
top-notch marching band arrangements made of my favorite 50 or 
60 Beatle songs.  

>>And you have a perpetual search for "dawg" going on ebay???  

>Gulp . . . guilty.  

No need to be defensive.  I was actually trying to make a little 
joke, thinking that ebay didn't even offer such a feature.  I 
thought I had heard or read that they did, but when I went to 
look for it, I couldn't find such a thing and so figured I was 
mistaken.  Now I've taken another look and have found it - I 
think.  (If it's supposed to email me when there's a hit, it 
hasn't worked for me yet.)  In any case, I am stupefied, as 
always, with the vague terminology used by web page writers.  I 
forget how ebay put it ("favorites", or some-such) but I sure 
don't see anything like, "Automatic, On-going Auction Search 
Feature!" 

This always makes me think of my car (and, I presume, everyone 
else's).  The dashboard is sick with little pictures and 
abbreviations which I still haven't figured out.  But the 
passenger-side rear-view mirror has probably the most clearly 
written sentence in the history of English prose: "Objects in 
mirror are closer than they appear."  Why can't web page 
designers hire the guy who wrote that?  

>Only one I couldn't turn up was "The Baby Buffalo Rag" by Dave 
Reed, Jr.  Don't know if you've got time or inclination to be a 
hero, but there's a challenge for you.  Might actually be easy to 
turn up at the LC.  The sheet music was published by Witmark, 
probably 1914 (At least that's the date on the orch; sheet music 
is sometimes a year earlier, depending on the time of year.) 

I also struck out on "Baby Buffalo Rag" by Dave Reed Jr. in the 3 
most likely piano classes.  :-( 

>(When I'm done I'll let you know if Ed addressed my most burning 
ragtime question.) 

In fact, he did get around to a short, fascinating section on 
dotted rhythms.  See, the whole while I'm reading about the 
stuff, and looking at the examples, I'm screaming internally, 
"but did they play it as written, or *swing* it???"  Ed certainly 
shot down my, not so much theory, but notion or suspicion that 
they *always* swang it back then (and that unaware modern 
performers are just plain wrong in their square adherence to the 
printed 8th notes.)  Still, I say the question remains, to what 
extent, if not always, were rags swung before they started going 
to the trouble of printing dotted-8ths (or 16ths)?  Ed admitted 
that more research needs to be done with old piano rolls.  

Note also that I'm pretty sure that even when they printed dotted 
rhythms, the intention was a "swing", triplet feel, not dotted.  
There are many examples, some in Ed's book, even, where pieces 
include both dotted rhythms *and* triplets.  To my mind, and ear, 
it would be ludicrous to play that as written.  But, I have 
waited years for some expert to say or write something confirming 
my belief.  Is it because it's so obvious to everybody that 
nobody ever needs to say it???  I am baffled.  

>As for the book, some of it was much too deep for me; Ed advised 
me to skim certain portions and skip others, though I don't think 
I skipped anything.  Just read and failed to understand.  Other 
chapters were easy, and, yes, even great fun. "The Ragtime 
Debate" will provide some belly laughs! 

About the only trouble I had was "augmented 6 chords."  Is that 
augmented chords based on the 6th step of the scale, or a chord 
with an added 6th?  But I will return and figure that out.  

>On the whole, I suppose I got more wrapped up in the Joplin 
biography.  It reads almost like a mystery, full of problems to 
solve, unexpected discoveries, research anecdotes.  It's unusual 
in the sense that it employs first person, not obtrusively, but 
it's rare to see at all.  I pointed that out, adding that it 
seemed the right approach even though most scholars would 
probably frown on it.  

Isn't that a screwy rule?  If you need to say "I" why can't you 
say "I"?  This writer thinks so, anyhow.  I finished a wacky 
book, "Little Known Facts About Well Known People" by Dale 
Carnegie, 1934, a few months ago.  The author bent over backwards 
to get himself into each of the stories.  For instance, in the 
chapter, "Mrs. Lincoln Flung Hot Coffee in Abraham's Face", he 
wrote, "While I was out in Illinois, writing that book about 
Lincoln, I went to see Uncle Jimmy Miles, a farmer who lives near 
Springfield...  Uncle Jimmy Miles told me that he had often heard 
his aunt tell this story..."  Isn't that great?  What a hoot! 
It's like the author used this book to dump his brain - just like 
some people (no names!) use the web nowadays.  I intend to add 
this one to my book reports page eventually.  


ME: Re: Fermi Paradox 

Thanks for your thoughts on the Fermi Paradox.  I suspect that 
our notions of economics and wealth would not apply, in general, 
to alien civilizations.  I can easily imagine civilizations that 
are self-sufficient, removing trade from the discussion.  Also, a 
major point I tried to make is that, even if coming here in 
person is a near-impossibility for whatever reason(s), contacting 
us by broadcast shouldn't be hard at all.  

>I was wondering if a reason aliens have not visited/contacted us 
(or at least unintentionally revealed their presence) could be 
due to the fact that any type of expansion beyond an 
interplanetary level is intrinsically economically nonviable?  


ME: Thanks for stopping by, and the kind words.  Actually, I've 
never heard Franco Platino live, so I'd hate to make a 
recommendation.  It might be fun to check 
rec.music.classical.guitar (on deja.com or google.com now) or the 
web, for any comments on him.  

I'm curious about that Aguado/Carulli piece.  Can you tell by the 
opening notes if it's in the Complete Aguado?  If you can't make 
sense of my index of opening notes, see if you can try to tell me 
what they are.  


THEE: Re: newsletter 

>"The Galop of the Goblins" by Walter Fay Lewis.  Do you still 
have that?  Or I could send another copy if you want to use it.  
It doesn't need much commentary, but I could probably whip up a 
paragraph to go with it.  

Great to hear from you... welcome back!  As you may know, I moved 
last September and I still have to find things from boxes, so it 
would probably be easiest if you sent it again with your 
commentary.  Actually, if you e-mailed the commentary, it would 
help to avoid typos.  

I'm glad to hear that your trio is back together.  You should 
consider playing for the Mid-Altlantic Guitar Ensemble Festival 
in April.  John Graham is hosting it at Lake Braddock this time 
around.  He's thinking of getting the Pearl/Gray duo to 
adjudicate and do a concert.  I don't know the date yet, but if 
you're interested, just pester me until I do have the info.  

[The "Galop of the Goblins" article and music can be found here: 

  http://www.donaldsauter.com/goblins.htm  ]


THEE: Re: march 

Thanks for the quote from Berlin. As it happens, I once used the 
first sentence of that Sousa quote from Etude. It's very familiar 
to me. I don't have time right now to track down just where I 
used it, but I think it was in connection with one of the ragtime 
things I ran in Soundboard, which also ends the same way in the 
subdominant.  


THEE: OOOPSSSSS 

Of course you know we moved in September.  You were of invaluable 
assistance!  Sorry! 


THEE: I double checked and the piece is actually either Aguado or 
Giuliani (not Carulli).  And I guess it's Giuliani, since I 
believe it's not in your Complete Aguado index.  The piece is in 
C, and it's 2/4, and using your notation (I think I have this 
right -- first time and all) the opening chord is c1c2e1.  This 
narrows it down to two in the index, and I don't think it's 
either one of those.  The first bar of the piece has that chord 
twice.  The second bar is just one chord, which I think is 
b0d2g3, if I've got your notation right. So neither of the two 
possibilities in the index look like it.  So perhaps it's by 
Giuliani, although it fits so nicely with all the other 
(purported!) Aguado pieces with which it is juxtaposed in my 
book.  I'm vaguely disappointed.  My other book has just entitled 
it "Allegretto," and credits it to Giuliani.  If you figure this 
mystery out somehow, I'll be glad to hear about it.  That index 
must have been a lot of work! 

I went ahead and bought the Platino tickets.  I haven't heard his 
disc, but he sounds great from what I've been able to read on the 
internet.  

I'll enjoy browsing some more on your page in my spare time! 


THEE: 

>I forgot another thing: and with the leftover stash I will have 
top-notch marching band arrangements made of my favorite 50 or 60 
Beatle songs.  

That would be fun, but I still want to know what the ice cream 
trucks will play, Offenbach or the Beatles?  The one that cruises 
our neighborhood plays Joplin's "The Entertainer." 


>>>And you have a perpetual search for "dawg" going on ebay???  

>>Gulp . . . guilty.  

>No need to be defensive.  I was actually trying to make a little 
joke, thinking that ebay didn't even offer such a feature.  I 
thought I had heard or read that they did, but when I went to 
look for it, I couldn't find such a thing and so figured I was 
mistaken.  Now I've taken another look and have found it - I 
think.  (If it's supposed to email me when there's a hit, it 
hasn't worked for me yet.)  In any case, I am stupefied, as 
always, with the vague terminology used by web page writers.  I 
forget how ebay put it ("favorites", or some-such) but I sure 
don't see anything like, "Automatic, On-going Auction Search 
Feature!" 

I didn't think any automatic search feature exists.  If you find 
one, let me know! I simply check every 3-4 days, entering all my 
favorite search terms, such as "gotta quit kickin'," "Champ 
Clark," and "Ozark dog song." 

>I also struck out on "Baby Buffalo Rag" by Dave Reed Jr. in the 
3 most likely piano classes.  :-( 

Too bad, but thanks for trying.  Gotta tell you this, though.  
Last night I noticed Dave Reed's "Ridin' on De Golden Bike:  A 
Satirical Coon Song" on ebay.  Jeez . . . the bidding had reached 
$102.50, the highest I've seen on any piano sheet so far.  
Imagine the seller's ecstasy.  It's not as if Reed were Joplin, 
James Scott, Joseph Lamb, Ben Harney, Kerry Mills, or anyone that 
most people have heard of.  I once asked Ed Berlin if he knew 
anything of Reed.  Nope, nothing.  Reed seems to have written a 
fair amount for Witmark, sometimes the music, sometimes the 
lyric, but he wasn't a household name.  About the only thing I've 
been able to find about him, other than some titles, was that his 
father, obviously also Dave Reed, was a prominent minstrel.  

>Note also that I feel sure that even when they printed dotted 
rhythms, the intention was a "swing", triplet feel, not dotted.  
There are many examples, some in Ed's book, even, where pieces 
include both dotted rhythms *and* triplets.  To my mind, and ear, 
it would be ludicrous to play that as written.  But, I have 
waited years for some expert to say or write something confirming 
my belief.  Is it because it's so obvious to everybody that 
nobody ever needs to say it???  I am so baffled.  

This could be an interesting question to pose if you want to give 
it a shot.  The book was written years ago; perhaps he'd have 
something new to add. Just tell that you're a guitarist, give him 
some background, and mention that a friend gave you his address.  
I'd suggest tossing in your story about setting out to play every 
piece of guitar music in the LC.  He enjoys people with high 
goals and perhaps unrealistic dreams.  

>Isn't that a wacky rule?  If you need to say "I" why can't you 
say "I"?  This writer thinks so, anyhow.  I finished a wacky 
book, "Little Known Facts About Well Known People" by Dale 
Carnegie, 1934, a few months ago.  The author bent over backwards 
to get himself into the stories.  For instance, in the chapter, 
"Mrs. Lincoln Flung Hot Coffee in Abraham's Face", he wrote, 
"While I was out in Illinois, writing that book about Lincoln, I 
went to see Uncle Jimmy Miles, a farmer who lives near 
Springfield...  Uncle Jimmy Miles told me that he had often heard 
his aunt tell this story..."  Isn't that great?  What a hoot! 
It's like the author used this book to dump his brain - just like 
some people (no names!) 

Hmmmm . . . I'm thinking hard on that one . . . ;-) 


ME: sousa quote 

>As it happens, I once used the first sentence of that Sousa 
quote from Etude. It's very familiar to me. I don't have time 
right now to track down just where I used it, but I think it was 
in connection with one of the ragtime things I ran in Soundboard, 
which also ends the same way in the subdominant.  

In fact, I stumbled on your use of the quote the day or so after 
I sent the message.  It was in the introduction to E.R. Day's 
"Cruise of the 'Rambler'" (Spring 1997, page 53.)  Embarrassed 
myself again, drat! 

Along those same lines, I remember once relating to you my 
discovery that "Di tanti palpiti" was from Tancredi.  This 
represented "great" research on my part, since I was thrown off 
track by an arrangement claiming it was "from The Barber of 
Seville", through which I searched high and low.  Later I noticed 
that you had run Boccamini's arrangement of "Di tanti palpiti" in 
the Fall 1998 Soundboard - oof!  My 2 excuses for fumbling that 
one are that a) it just predated my catching the opera bug, and 
b) "Di tanti palpiti" doesn't appear on the cover.  


ME: giuliani vs. aguado 

Thanks for going to the trouble of figuring out my notation! I 
doubt many people have done that.  

First of all, you can never bank on "complete" being really 
complete.  In the case of the "Complete Aguado", Chanterelle did 
not include Aguado's "Escuela de Guitarra."  So, for instance, 
the 4 Aguado studies in Noad's "Classical Guitar" book can't be 
found in the Chanterelle set.  At first I was disappointed, but 
there's reasons for everything.  I think somebody published the 
Escuela separately.  

Anyhow, the Noad book was the first place I looked for the piece 
you described, but it wasn't there.  I also checked the 2 pieces 
in the complete Aguado that started with the c1c2e2 chord, just 
to be safe, and, no, neither one could possibly be the piece in 
question.  

My next guess was the set of 32 progressive studies by Giuliani 
that I have in an anthology by Leonid Bolotine.  Lo and behold, 
the one you describe is No. 3 of that set!  (Measures 3-4 are 
identical to measures 1-2, right?)  And it is also given an 
"Allegretto" tempo marking here.  

Don't be disappointed - this sort of thing is fun!  Isn't the web 
great?  I'll admit the index probably took a bit of time and 
effort - but I consider it play, not "work".  In any case, it was 
something I *had* to do to get a handle on the 4 volumes.  

>I double checked and the piece is actually either Aguado or 
Giuliani (not Carulli).  And I guess it's Giuliani, since I 
believe it's not in your Complete Aguado index.  The piece is in 
C, and it's 2/4, and using your notation (I think I have this 
right -- first time and all) the opening chord is c1c2e1.  This 
narrows it down to two in the index, and I don't think it's 
either one of those.  The first bar of the piece has that chord 
twice.  The second bar is just one chord, which I think is 
b0d2g3, if I've got your notation right. So neither of the two 
possibilities in the index look like it.  So perhaps it's by 
Giuliani, although it fits so nicely with all the other 
(purported!) Aguado pieces with which it is juxtaposed in my 
book.  I'm vaguely disappointed.  My other book has just entitled 
it "Allegretto," and credits it to Giuliani.  If you figure this 
mystery out somehow, I'll be glad to hear about it.  That index 
must have been a lot of work! 


ME: Subject: (no blabbing) 

>>>>And you have a perpetual search for "dawg" going on ebay???  

>>>Gulp . . . guilty.  

>>No need to be defensive.  I was actually trying to make a 
little joke, 

>I didn't think any automatic search feature exists.  If you find 
one, let me know! I simply check every 3-4 days, entering all my 
favorite search terms, 

While I was online tonight, thought I would at least pass on the 
steps to set up ebay's "personalized, on-going, automatic auction 
search" feature.  (My words, not theirs.)  It's thanks to you 
that I found this feature, but you make it sound like you really 
don't know it.  Here is a series of steps that will do it.  Abort 
the moment you feel like your intelligence is being insulted.  

I start with "smart search", as I *always* do, so that I am 
searching titles and descriptions.  

Enter "dawg".  

Check "search titles and descriptions" 

Set up anything else you want, like a particular category, if 
that's what you want.  

Click the "search" button.  

On the page that comes up, with the list of hits (if any), go 
down past the bottom of the list and click "save this search".  

On the page that comes up, enter your user ID and password, and 
click "save search".  

That takes you to the page that lists these "favorite" searches, 
and any others you have already saved.  The bummer is you can 
only ask ebay to automatically mail you new hits for 3 of your 
favorites, but "dawg" definitely qualifies here.  So check the 
email option for "dawg", and I guess there is another "save" 
operation.  

From then on, when you go to ebay, you click on "my ebay", and 
then "favorites" to take you to this page.  Then you can activate 
any of your saved searches with a single click, which is handier 
than it may sound.  

Again, thanks for putting me on to this.  I've already had an 
email alert on one of my favorites - snagged a nice, autographed 
photo of Mattiwilda Dobbs.  

>but I still want to know what the ice cream trucks will play, 
Offenbach or the Beatles?  The one that cruises our neighborhood 
plays Joplin's "The Entertainer." 

Straight, or swing 8ths?  I need to know! 

>Gotta tell you this, though.  Last night I noticed Dave Reed's 
"Ridin' on De Golden Bike:  A Satirical Coon Song" on ebay.  Jeez 
. . . the bidding had reached $102.50, the highest I've seen on 
any piano sheet so far.  

Wow!  Time to get into sheet music counterfeiting! 


THEE: Re: giuliani vs. aguado 

You hit the nail on the head!  That's the piece alright.  Now I 
have to get my mind around *all 32* of those pieces I like being 
by Giuliani, not Aguado.  That set of 32 is a gem!  Certainly the 
pieces I've most enjoyed since I've been tinkering w/ the 
classical guitar.  Since you are obviously *way* ahead of me, and 
know yer classical guitarists, and now have an idea of my tastes 
and level: any suggestions for me?  Would Aguado be at a 
reasonable level for me?  Any others spring to mind?  

I enjoyed your scrabble rule suggestions.  My mom and I play a 
lot when I am back (in Bethesda -- you know it well I bet), and 
we always make up our own rules.  Here's my favorite one:  you 
can play words going backwards and upwards as well.  Imagine... 
talk about opening up the board.  Scores will obviously bear 
little relation to conventional scrabble, but you'll find the 
core of the game is the same, just w/ more action.  We play about 
a third of our games this way and I always find it spices things 
up.  Also, we have always played that once a blank is down on the 
board, if you have that letter in your rack then on your turn you 
can trade it in for the blank.  Again, inflated scores, but who 
doesn't enjoy having a blank?  Or two?  


THEE: Re: (no blabbing) 

>While I was online tonight, thought I would at least pass on the 
steps to set up ebay's "personalized, on-going, automatic auction 
search" feature.  (My words, not theirs.)  It's thanks to you 
that I found this feature, but you make it sound like you really 
don't know it.  Here is a series of steps that will do it.  Abort 
the moment you feel like your intelligence is being insulted.  

>I start with "smart search", as I *always* do, so that I am 
searching titles and descriptions.  

Right . . .  

>Enter "dawg".  

But sometimes it's plain ol' "dog." 

>Check "search titles and descriptions" 

Right . . .  

>Set up anything else you want, like a particular category, if 
that's what you want.  

Yup, sometimes, but not for dog/dawg, which can turn up on 
postcards, campaign buttons, sheet music, cartoons, you name it.  

>Click the "search" button.  

THAT  helps.  ;-) 

>On the page that comes up, with the list of hits (if any), go 
down past the bottom of the list and click "save this search".  

Ah ha!!!  Noticed this, but never took the time to figure out 
that it did any more than save the one-time results.  COOL.  

>Never been much affected by show biz personalities...  (If you 
promise not to tell, search on Mattiwilda.  There aren't many 
Mattiwildas out there!) 

Gosh, how many fingers would I need to count all the Mattiwildas 
I've known in my life . . . none of which have been my sweet 
peas, though.  

>>Gotta tell you this, though.  Last night I noticed Dave Reed's 
"Ridin' on De Golden Bike:  A Satirical Coon Song" on ebay.  Jeez 
. . . the bidding had reached $102.50, the highest I've seen on 
any piano sheet so far.  

>Wow!  Time to get into sheet music counterfeiting! 

That one had me stumped, but I've wanted to learn something about 
Reed.  W. C. orchestrated quite a bit of his music, and he's 
another one no one seems to know anything about.  So why pay so 
much for music by an unknown?  It crossed my mind that people 
mistook him for his more famous dad.  But maybe they simply liked 
that terrific artwork . . .  

 . . . heading out early Saturday morning for Carthage, MO, one-
time home of James Scott, one of the "big three" ragtime 
composers.  This'll be a "small potatoes" rag fest, but it won't 
grow unless some of us support it.  AND why not?  Carthage is 
only a couple hours away, and a night out--even in the Econo-
Lodge at festival rates--can be a treat.  Besides, one of the 
main attractions is "Ragtime" Bob Darch.  What a hoot!  Bob must 
be around 81-82 by now because I recall hearing he'd turned 80 a 
while back.  Even before the Joplin Fest of 2000, he was 
undergoing chemo.  People wondered if he'd attend . . . and there 
he was in all his glory . . . playing, singing (if you can call 
it that with his gravelly voice, and making people laugh.  He's 
quite a showman, performing silly ragtime songs of the bawdy bar-
room ballad variety.  Of all the performers around, ol' Bob is 
the one who has truly led a ragtime life--years on riverboats, in 
Alaska saloons, etc.  I recall eating dinner with him one night 
in Sedalia and hearing story after story.  He says all his 
belongings are stored in a friend's attic, and when he's gonna be 
somewhere long enough, he has the friend forward mail.  I've 
already suggested to the festival organizer that she try to get 
his performances video-taped because there's no one else like 
him, and I doubt there ever will be--the last of the true ragtime 
itinerants . . .  

Another attraction in Carthage come September, too, but I don't 
know the date.  It's the annual reunion of the MO WWII vets, the 
houn' dawg regiment.  Imagine all those octogenarians an' singing 
the houn' dawg song.  What a sight to behold . . . and to video 
tape . . . someday, maybe . . .  while a few of 'em are still 
howling . . .  

Bob, btw, sings the dawg song.  What an event it would be if he 
could get together with the Missouri vets . . . 

Will let you know how my saved searches work out.  Thanks again!  
But . . . one thing more before I hit the hay . . . Mattiwilda.  
:-)


THEE: Re: (no blabbing) 

Not bad . . . a Van Vechten . . . Claims to be vintage, not a 
reproduction . . .  

I have a colleague who taught at Howard.  Wonder if she might 
know Mattiwilda.  

Last semester she was griping that she had NO black students in 
her classes (teaches government).  We suggested she post signs on 
my former campus and the downtown campus, both of which have 
large minority populations:  "Black government teacher wants 
black students at West Campus."  This semester she has two black 
students, as do I.  Not the same ones either, so we have at least 
4 on campus.  Amazing.  Other than that, my cultural diversity 
consists of one Thai, one Indian (not to be confused with Native 
American), one identifiable Native American by name of Hself 
Squirrel, a couple of Latinos . . . 

Read the long Mattiwilda bio.  Know Marian Anderson & Robert 
McFerrin.  Now I suppose I can claim to know Mattiwilda--sorta--
but not really without hearing her sing.  Save your pennies . . . 
no spending on ice cream from the ice cream truck, whether the 
8ths are swung or not.  

Now . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 

 


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